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Masters interviewed in 2008 PDF Print E-mail
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Sunday, 31 August 2008 20:23

In July of 2008 Gordon Muir, Master Chen Zhonghua and Todd Elihu travelled throughout China interviewing different masters to gather information for an upcoming book about Chen Fake. In this article we provide some information about who we interviewed.

Gordon Muir and Master Chen Zhonghua by a sign announcing Chen Village


 

 Master Chen Zhonghua - Chen Shi Xinyi Hunyuan and Chen Style Practical Method

In the Forbidden City with Master Chen Zhonghua

Master Chen is the International Standard Bearer for Chen Style Practical Method and a disciple of both Grandmaster Feng Zhiqiang and Grandmaster Hong Junsheng. Gordon Muir is a disciple of Chen Zhonghua.

Master Chen Zhonghua is a disciple of two of Chen Fake's primary disciples. He spent many years studying with Hong Junsheng and heard many stories and anecdotes about Chen Fake. He is also a disciple of Feng Zhiqiang. Between the two he has been given the training methods of Chen Fake from two distinct lineages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

GrandMaster Feng Zhiqiang in Beijing - Chen Shi Xinyi Hunyuan Taiji

 Master Chen Zhonghua, Grandmaster Feng and Harrison Moretz

We expected only a short interview with Grandmaster Feng as he is quite a busy man and in fact had people waiting for him when we arrived. He spent more than two hours with our group (Joseph, Todd and myself) and never did meet the other group. Feng talked to us about both Chen Fake and Hu Yaozhen, his Chen Taiji master and his Hunyuan Qi Gong master respectively. He was quite happy to hear that I spent a lot of time studying his Hunyuan Qi Gong and worked through it with us. He asked me to stand beside him as we went through and kept a careful eye on my performance. Part way through he remarked that he could tell I did a lot of zhan zhuang (standing post). Master Feng also corrected some of my silk reeling postures and then worked on the Hunyuan 24 with our group.

The next day we went to a park where his disciples are known to practise hoping to find someone else to interview.Grandmaster Feng himself turned up and we ended up working out with him for quite a while. We were later treated to a full and long lunch with him. A very nice and prolonged meeting with a man who is one of the last remaining links to the old Qing Dynasty China.

 

 

 

 

Students (Peng Daishan & Zhang Yuhai) of Tian Xiuchen in Beijing - Chen style and Feng style

Gordon Muir with Zhang Yuhai

These two students both began their studies with Tian Xiuchen, another disciple of Chen Fake. They switched to Feng Zhiqiang after Tian died. Zhang Yuhai lived in the same courtyard as Tian and said that as a boy he used to watch him practising all the time. Zhang Yuhai's sister is married to Chen Yu, the son of Chen Zhaokui, and he stated that he could probably arrange an interview for us easily. We tried to get them to talk about their training with Tian but it was very difficult to get any detailed information from them. They were both solidly from the mystics school of tai chi. "We just did form!" From what I know of Hong Junsheng and Chen Fake they both seemed to be from the 'engineers' school of Taiji. That is, they were more concerned with body mechanics and correct movement than in qi.

Things got a little heated when in exasperation I asked them what they thought their teacher, or Chen Fake, did on a minute to minute basis throughout the day that made both of them so highly skilled. They were not able to answer the question the way I hoped and it was at that moment it occured to me that the Taiji world is divided into engineers and mystics. Neither good nor bad, just very different approaches to training. My own belief is that one has to be a mystical engineer to truly understand and embody the art.

 

 

 

 

Master Meng Xiantang  on Daqingshan Mountain - Sun Bin style

Master Meng Xiantang

Meng Xiantang is the president of the United Wushu Federation of the World.

Master Meng visited us on Daqingshan Mountain for two days. He was accompanied by a young female student (Lan Chunling) who had won several competitions and who had visited North America. Lan Chunling is the vice chairman of the Wushu Cultural Assocation of Qingdao. Meng claims that their style originated with the author of The Art of War, Sun Tzu. We asked him for the story of the creation of his art and he complied. A very interesting man and an interesting take on the historical figure of Sun Tzu.

They both demonstrated their style for us including empty hand and weapons sets. Their style was very external. During our interview Meng called his style Shaolin Sun Bin. He said that he had added many Shaolin forms to the style.Master Meng is based in Qingdao on the eastern coast of Shandong province.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Master Chao Xiuzhen from Heze - Chen Style Practical Method
 
Chen Zhonghua, Chao Xiuzhen and Gordon Muir

Master Chao took up Taiji to help with a heart condition. Since he has always lived in Heze his studies with Grandmaster Hong have mostly been from a distance. He only studied directly with Hong on a few occasions, when he had the time and money to travel all the way to Jinan. He Shugan also lives in Heze and I think it was he who introduced Chao to Hong.

 

 

 

 

 

Master Ai Shenghua in Weifang - Wu Shu and Sanda

Chen Zhonghua, Gordon Muir and Master Ai

Master Ai has a large training compound in Weifang. It is a wu shu and sanda (Chinese kick boxing) school and it appears that most if not all students live at the school in dormitories. Their main training hall is very large and spacious. The students train on a bare concrete floor covered by cloth mats. The sanda students ranged from early to late teens and some showed good speed and power. They did not demonstrate. The Wu Shu students were very good.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sun Zhonghua in Beijing - disciple of Grandmaster Feng Zhiqiang 

A Taiji brother of Master Chen Zhonghua's. He  was was a badminton provincial champion, famous artist and was China's envoy to the UN committee on the status of disabled persons.  He is a long time student of Feng Zhiqiang

 

 

Master Cai Shengye in Jinan - Chen Style Practical Method

Cai Shengye and Gordon Muir at the tomb of Hong Junsheng

Cai Shengye started his studies with Hong when he was just a teenager. Hong apparently liked him and thought he could be successful in Taiji. He spent personal time with Cai. Cai gave us a good interview and taught us a chin na routine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Master Li Enjiu in Jinan - CSPM

Gordon Muir, Todd Eilhu with Master Li Enjiu and Master Chen Zhonghua

Master Li Enjiu is the mastermind behind the international team that swept the national push hands tournaments for many years, taking most of the gold medals. He is a Preying Mantis (Tang Long) master as well as a master of Chen Style Practical Method. Todd and I returned to Jinan to spend some time with Li Enjiu. I ended up spending an extra couple of days with him after Todd had left. I trained with the same students we saw and got to know them and Master Li a little better.

This photo shows Gordon Muir with Todd Elihu and Masters Li Enjiu and Chen Zhonghua.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Han Yue - push hands champion and student of Master Li Enjiu

 Gordon with Han Yue

Present on the first day we met with Master Li was Han Yue, a young man I first met in 2004 on my first trip to China. Han Yue had grown a lot and had put on a lot of muscle. He was a formidable fighter in 2004 and seemed even stronger this time.  Han Yue is a member of Master Li Enjiu's national push hands team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zhang Yanping in Jinan - Wu Shu Taiji

Zhang Yanping and Gordon Muir in Jinan

Zhang Yanping is a Wu Shu (Taiji) champion and multiple gold medal winner. Throughout her career she won gold medals at the municipal, provincial and national levels of competition. We interviewed Yanping twice and she was able to give us a brief account of her life training as a wu shu champion. She began her studies in Weifang at six and continued until she became a multi gold medal winner. She is retired now, has a child and is teaching at the university of Jinan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Master Chen Zhaosen in Chen Jia Gou(Chen village) - Chen lineage different from that of Chen Fake

 The Chen Village school of Master Chen Zhao-Sen

Master Chen Zhaosen was the first master we met in Chen village. He is from a different lineage than Chen Fake. He claims that as he is THE push hands champion in China that he should be the standard bearer for Chen style. He commented that in the old days the standard bearer was decided by fighting. He believes it still should be and that politics has no place is such a decision.Master Chen has won the national push hands championships several times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Master Wang Hai Zhou - Zhao Bao village - Zhao Bao style Taiji

 Gordon Muir and Wang Haizhou in Zhao Bao village

Wang Hai zhou is a very highly regarded Taiji master and is well known in China. He was a very interesting man to meet. His village was next door to Chen village and the two have been rivals for many years. He was suspicious of us when we first met but we gradually convinced him that we had no stake in Chinese martial politics and were only there to gather information for a book. He claims that Taiji was originated by Lao Tzu and goes back 2000 or more years. He did not demonstrate but did show videos of himself and his son demonstrating. He also showed us some original and very secret documents that he wanted help with to have published.

 

 

 

 

Master Sun Ke Peng in Yantai - Yang style taiji

Sun Ke Peng and Gordon Muir push hands

A Yang style master from the Yang Chen Fu lineage. He was a strong Taiji man and not hesitant about testing his skills, or those of his guests. I wish my Chinese was better as most of the time I was with this group I did not have an interpreter.

Gordon Muir pushing hands with Yang style Master Sun Ke Peng.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wan Wende in Shanghai - student of Chen Zhaokui and Feng Zhiqiang

Gordon Muir and Wan Wende in Shanghai

Grandmaster Wan Wende is a 93 year old man who was a student of two very famous masters, Chen Zhaokui, the son of Chen Fake and Feng Zhiqiang, a student of Chen Fake. He is also famous for helping translate the book on Chen that was written by Chen Xiaowang and Feng Zhiqiang. I was told that his English would be adequate but he had forgotten most of it. With my tiny bit of Chinese, what he could remember of English and some creative sign language we were able to communicate for a few hours. It was a nice meeting but not very informative with regards to material for the book. The whole incident of looking for him, missing him the first time, and then actually finding him on the second attempt was worthy of writing up though.

 

 

 

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